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A review of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire/[url]
did writing things closer to realistic gets you famous?
[url=http://www.amazon.com/review/R1ERK0ZWQUBG0W]For Stephen King's books (from a random review)
I highly recommend reading the Harry Potter novels, and then reading them again. Once you know how the story plays out, it is intriguing to re-read these novels and see how Rowling built upon detail after detail to ensure that the realistic element of the novels stayed intact. That seems like an oxymoron: realistic fantasy, but that is what the Harry Potter novels are. They are about a magical world, but everything is so detailed and realistic that we are allowed to suspend our disbelief in magic and just enjoy.
I do have others if you want, but in general for a writer, just because you write fiction doesn't mean you have to write unrealistically. Even though your setting and your characters are wacky or unusual, it does not mean you can have them acting in an unrealistic manner.Hell Angel, realism works to convey the message of the creator to the reader. It is an essential tool. If the mangaka cannot express the message well in the first place, no technique will help them. On that point we both agree. What I don't agree with you is you dismissing realism completely as irrelevant in your field of manga and fiction.
Although The Shining was slower than what I anticipated , I found the book to be amazingly realistic. In the 70's Stephen King wrote a horror novel around the ordinary or not so ordinary lives of a family, King develops the characters by letting them reveal themselves through thought.
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Postby hell angel on 22 Sep 2008 12:32 realism is nothing more than just a tool in manga
Postby hell angel on 23 Sep 2008 14:35"did writing things closer to realistic gets you famous?"
Postby hell angel on 23 Sep 2008 05:27if realism is a major key in manga, go watch a movie instead, it's more real than manga with realism faces, background and environment
Postby hell angel on 23 Sep 2008 14:35 leave realism to newspapers, photographs and movies, they can do a better job than any artist in realism
strange, I never ask you to name any author
by Naoko Kensaku on 23 Sep 2008 17:00 Oh, and you merely asked me to name a writer who became successful using such realism as a technique in their writing. You never mentioned if there was a need for any certain genre.
Posted 23 September 2008 - 06:13 PM
Since you sound so serious about the first question, I'll give a serious answer. A Tablet lets you use an object that's very much like the pencils and pens that we artists are so used to... to do art with programs like Photoshop on the PC. From there you can do a lot of things. Pressure sensitivity makes it so that you do controlled and varied strokes like you do on paper with a brush, marker or pen. For people who won't want to get into the mess of physical inking or wet colors, this an advantage.. plus the paper doesn't get ruined when you keep erasing. You can of course, keep using the mouse as I found that it's still completely usable for many things while working in Photoshop, especially when you've built techniques to using it for several years. I hope this is understandable to you so I won't have to say "Go try using a watercolour brush, a pencil and a marker and explain the difference !" Besides, 'Erasable Color' is a huge convinience when you've been struggling with watercolours and pencil colors no ? :VAs a person who was first intrigued about Type-Moon because he heard when the Tsukihime anime first came out that it was based on an eroge by a doujin group, I'm very much aware about how good doujin maker works can be. That does not mean you can happily go "Lol if they can do it with this kind of quality ! I can replicate their success too !". ZUN created a series of shoot-em-ups that got popular for various reasons. Even more respectably, he does it alone. Interesting/challenging gameplay(the spell card danmaku are works of art in their own right !), good music, memorable characters and a setting that quickly gain a huge following. The success booms even more when fans start derived doing works of their own. His art.. well, it has gotten a little better. What you fail to see is for every ZUN, Type-Moon, French Bread and 07th Expansion out there, there are multitudes more that fail to impress outside of their own doujin community. Besides, the point of my previous comparison is that because they are doujinka, who mostly do this for themselves and their doujin scene(because they have their own jobs or being a student or being NEET), they don't need to uphold the same artwork standards demanded of a professional that needs to keep his job.By the way, watching movies really would help, since screen composition and shot angles are things that you would want to absorb to make interesting manga pages.At any rate, this is as far I'm willing to argue with someone who seems to hold the opinion of "No ! I don't freaking need this ! Really ! I'm telling everyone this is useless !", which I don't mind all that much really, just don't be claiming to everyone that your opinion is the holy grail.The only real point I would like to make is that people should examine how far they want to go into this(is this a hobby, something you do for fun or do you plan to be a pro make a living off it ? Even then, do you just want to get your stories told through your favourite medium or do you want to be really good at it ?) and how much time and effort are you willing to put into this(maybe you have all the time in the world and have the hard working attitude to do anything ! or maybe you can't afford to devote too much of your time into this because you're still doing education or trying to carve out a living through other work ?)
what's the difference between drawing with tablet than drawing on a paper with pencil then use erase-able color to color it?Didn't your signature teaches you not to understimate doujinkas? or is it you that dun know where it is from?if realism is a major key in manga, go watch a movie instead, it's more real than manga with realism faces, background and environment
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But then again, I agree with at least a little of what Hell Angel said. You don't need to add realism to a manga (or any piece of art) to make it look good. You just need to apply the techniques that you learned from all the studies that you did to make an attractive piece of art. Constantly drawing something realistic is to practice with your hands and to train your eye to pick out details. And there are also some things that you can't just learn from observing real life. Look at these two pictures by Hokusai:You will never see a wave like this. Real life is never as vivid as this. Even if it is inspired by nature, it is obviously not realistic at all, but few can beat the use of colour of Hokusai. You can draw all the waves that you want, but you will never learn the same lessons about composition and colour that you can get from these paintings.So in short, learning how to draw is a combination of learning from nature and learning from other artists. (There may be other sources, but I'm tired and I can't think of anymore right now...) But to say that you don't need to know how to draw realistically is just handicapping yourself.
If realism is a major key in manga, go watch a movie instead, it's more real than manga with realism faces, background and environment
Obviously you have never tried oil paints before...I got plenty of points about this, but it'll put everyone to sleep so I'll just give you one: The tablet makes it too easy to get rid of your mistakes. Press ctrl-Z and the problem is gone in less than a second. When cleaning up your mess is that easy, you get used to making mistakes and you don't spend enough time reflecting on them. At least a pencil requires you to take some time and effort to rub it away, and even then there may be scratches left on the paper to remind you of what you did. With a pencil, you have some time to learn a lesson and you have to confront your own failure, which is not always the case with a tablet.Call me old fashioned, but personally I think that people should hold off getting a tablet until they learn how to control their hands properly.
what's the difference between drawing with tablet than drawing on a paper with pencil then use erase-able color to color it?
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